what i like to do, we have the debate watch at penn state on campus. we bring 200 or 300 students in to watch the debate. so they can make up their own minds about the debate and not listen to the spin doctors to form their opinion. >> what i remember from the first debate, and there are only two candidates, not three, was that throughout the entire debate, or so it seemed to me watching with my naked eyes, but it seemed to me whenever nixon said, kennedy just looked at him and smirked. which played into kennedy's hands. he did have the indian side on that nixon. nixon gave him a poor family. he was clumsy. and he was defending an administration that he is not only in support of. >> what is the first thing you want to see as the debate began? >> that is an interesting question. i think maybe what i want to see is nothing. and maybe for the first time i will turn the tv on, walk into the other room and listen. and see what can be cleaned by focusing on what is being said, -- what can be gleaned by focusing on what is being said. >> we can stand by them.